Excuse me? You have got to be kidding. Liberals are getting all worked up over THAT? That is nowhere near torture, and I wouldn't be in the least concerned if an American overseas was subjected to it. At best, it's no more than an annoyance.

Wow, Bonnie, lets just pile all the torture on YOU for awhile and see how YOU fare.

If *I* had to live my life like that year after year, I would *welcome* a slow beheading!

Jack,

If you haven't seen it:

Halliburton is building a $30 million new Gitmo facility. No wonder they didn't want to close it down.

Link is: http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-06-16T232100Z_01_N16383330_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-SECURITY-GUANTANAMO-HALLIBURTON-DC.XML

Actually if they were treated that well we could then start talking about better treatment all around. But you know very well, that no American soldier who has been taken prisoner of war has ever been treated anywhere near as well as those at Gitmo. Ever! The treatment our soldiers have received in captivity has been horrendous traditionally. So when you find some enemy of ours that treats our soldiers like they do at Gitmo - we can have the discussion again - until then it makes no sense at all.

So... Would you support hijacking a Saudi Arabian airline and flying it into a building in SA, cause, hey... Works for them right?

Just because our enemies are savages doesn't mean we have to wear their clothes, adopt thier grooming habits, pick up their weapons, and behave just like them.

Even this 'mild' torture is beneath America.

Teresa,

You miss my point and in the process engage in the very moral relativism I am decrying.

I see expressions of outrage every day regarding different things, and then dismissals of similar expressions of outrage by "the other", whether "the other" is the opposite political wing, the other political party, the French, whoever.

My point is this:

If our soldiers were treated in the way that some of the prisoners *we* have had in captivity have been treated, would you be outraged?

My point is this:

Moral relativism DOES NOT APPLY.

We have indeed mistreated some of our prisoners. I will not compare that treatment to how US soldiers have been treated because that is not my point.

An honorable nation does NOT base its behavior on the egregious sins of others, nor does it say "well, we are still better than them because the mistreatment we committed wasn't as bad."

Don't give me the canard that we have not mistreated ANY of our prisoners, because that assertion is NOT true. Does that mistreatment arise to the level that many on the left are claiming? No, but their exaggerations do not make the mistreatment any less real.

So, the question remains: If our soldiers were treated in the way that some of the prisoners *we* have had in captivity have been treated, would you be outraged?

If your answer is "yes", then I suggest you examine how it is that we got to the point of behaving in a way that we obviously do not approve of.

If your answer is "no", then I will definitely call you on it when you express an outrage of this nature, because one day the situation will arise where an American is mistreated in the same manner.

The treatment of this individual is no harsher than some of the training received by American Armed Forces personnel.

It's not comfortable, but it isn't torture.

And, one day, he will go home alive...

If an American recieved the same treatment, I would be concerned, but, in light of the treatment that Americans received in the past, something like this doesn't bother me...

In fact, the last time Americans were treated with anything close to decency while in a POW status, it was in some of the German POW camps ran by the Luftwaffe during WW2 (by no means a picnic, but better than what they received from the Japanese, the North Koreans, North Vietnamese, and the criminals facing us today.)

"An honorable nation does NOT base its behavior on the egregious sins of others, nor does it say "well, we are still better than them because the mistreatment we committed wasn't as bad."

Perhaps not, but an honorable nation, seeking to glean secrets that will protect its citizens must tread the line between "the ends justify the means" and the "respect for basic human life".

How do you do that in as short a time as possible?

Man oh man. Did you read that article Jack asked us to link to? I did, and apparently some of you read a different article than I did. It isn't ok, ever to do this to anyone at any time. Ditto everything Jack said as the right thing to do. I never realized we were a country of 'tit for tat' or 'eye for an eye' - particularly when most of these people haven't been charged with anything nor have they had representation or a trial. Innocent until proven guilty. We don't follow the Geneva Convention, yet expect all other nations to do so. So, lets extend your theory to American's where its all right to torture them in a criminal investigation or to find out info about a brother or friend, your lover or mother, father? This is all right with you? Alot of the photos I saw went much further than the article reviewed. Is this all right with you too? Where is your line in the sand? I suspect, if it doesn't affect you personally, you could really care less as expressed through your laissez-faire attitudes. Are American's becoming conscienceless? This is an America that wail's and protests against letting a brain-dead woman die with respect and mercy, yet advocates torture and humiliation. You people make me very very sad and fearful for this nation.