Comments on: …upon cartoons and the wholesale condemnation of groups http://www.randomfate.net/MT/2006/02/03/upon-cartoons-and-the-wholesale-condemnation-of-groups/ One more roll of the dice... Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:39:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: brian bill http://www.randomfate.net/MT/2006/02/03/upon-cartoons-and-the-wholesale-condemnation-of-groups/#comment-5318 brian bill Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:18:38 +0000 http://www.randomfate.net/MT/2006/02/03/upon-cartoons-and-the-wholesale-condemnation-of-groups/#comment-5318 Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life,no one comes to the father except through me. Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life,no one comes to the father except through me.

]]> By: Velociman http://www.randomfate.net/MT/2006/02/03/upon-cartoons-and-the-wholesale-condemnation-of-groups/#comment-4964 Velociman Wed, 08 Feb 2006 03:39:08 +0000 http://www.randomfate.net/MT/2006/02/03/upon-cartoons-and-the-wholesale-condemnation-of-groups/#comment-4964 Well said, Jack. I would add a few of things. The cartoons were not so much a "dare" as the response to a request for pictures of Mohammed by Danish artists, because artists had been intimidated from illustrating a children's book about Mohammed. Secondly, the most egregious of the cartoons were disseminated by Islamist troublemakers, and were never published by the newspaper in question. They were thrown out there to fuel rage. Finally, Islam is replete with images of Mohammed, going back at least to the 14th century. The "ban" on producing his image is an on again, off again theological issue within Islam. There is a frieze of Mohammed within our very own United States Supreme Court. Ancient Persian and Iraqi texts are replete with his images. This smacked of deliberate intifada from something that occurred over a month ago. I don't like the mocking of any religious icons. But... I just blog about it. Well said, Jack. I would add a few of things. The cartoons were not so much a “dare” as the response to a request for pictures of Mohammed by Danish artists, because artists had been intimidated from illustrating a children’s book about Mohammed.

Secondly, the most egregious of the cartoons were disseminated by Islamist troublemakers, and were never published by the newspaper in question. They were thrown out there to fuel rage.

Finally, Islam is replete with images of Mohammed, going back at least to the 14th century. The “ban” on producing his image is an on again, off again theological issue within Islam. There is a frieze of Mohammed within our very own United States Supreme Court. Ancient Persian and Iraqi texts are replete with his images.

This smacked of deliberate intifada from something that occurred over a month ago. I don’t like the mocking of any religious icons. But… I just blog about it.

]]> By: Sine.Qua.Non http://www.randomfate.net/MT/2006/02/03/upon-cartoons-and-the-wholesale-condemnation-of-groups/#comment-4792 Sine.Qua.Non Sat, 04 Feb 2006 21:44:57 +0000 http://www.randomfate.net/MT/2006/02/03/upon-cartoons-and-the-wholesale-condemnation-of-groups/#comment-4792 Another opinion by my friend John at BlogMeridian on this subject that may interest you Jack: <a href="http://blogmeridian.blogspot.com/2006/02/in-which-meridian-gets-all-rabble.html" rel="nofollow">In which the Meridian gets all rabble-rouse-y on y'all . . .</A> Another opinion by my friend John at BlogMeridian on this subject that may interest you Jack:

In which the Meridian gets all rabble-rouse-y on y’all . . .

]]> By: ry http://www.randomfate.net/MT/2006/02/03/upon-cartoons-and-the-wholesale-condemnation-of-groups/#comment-4788 ry Sat, 04 Feb 2006 17:46:53 +0000 http://www.randomfate.net/MT/2006/02/03/upon-cartoons-and-the-wholesale-condemnation-of-groups/#comment-4788 Or is it that we just think you're absolutely wrong(because you're not making apples to apples comparisons) instead of just not getting it? Or is it that we just think you’re absolutely wrong(because you’re not making apples to apples comparisons) instead of just not getting it?

]]> By: Beth http://www.randomfate.net/MT/2006/02/03/upon-cartoons-and-the-wholesale-condemnation-of-groups/#comment-4785 Beth Fri, 03 Feb 2006 21:35:03 +0000 http://www.randomfate.net/MT/2006/02/03/upon-cartoons-and-the-wholesale-condemnation-of-groups/#comment-4785 Jack, The difference I see between Muslim reaction to an editorial (yes, an editorial) cartoon and the reaction of Catholics to the Blessed Virgin Mary with elephant dung is that there were no Catholics calling for the beheading of the museum director or artist responsible for showing that bit of 'art'. There are Muslims all over the world calling for the beheading of anyone who insults Mohammad. If you cannot see the difference between dissent of Catholics and the call for murder by thousands of Muslims, then there is no hope for you to ever stand for anything. And the day that C.A.I.R. condemns such demonstrations by Muslims, is the day I'll believe that there are Muslims who don't want to force us all to live in Sharia. Jack,
The difference I see between Muslim reaction to an editorial (yes, an editorial) cartoon and the reaction of Catholics to the Blessed Virgin Mary with elephant dung is that there were no Catholics calling for the beheading of the museum director or artist responsible for showing that bit of ‘art’.

There are Muslims all over the world calling for the beheading of anyone who insults Mohammad.

If you cannot see the difference between dissent of Catholics and the call for murder by thousands of Muslims, then there is no hope for you to ever stand for anything.

And the day that C.A.I.R. condemns such demonstrations by Muslims, is the day I’ll believe that there are Muslims who don’t want to force us all to live in Sharia.

]]> By: ry http://www.randomfate.net/MT/2006/02/03/upon-cartoons-and-the-wholesale-condemnation-of-groups/#comment-4784 ry Fri, 03 Feb 2006 20:56:19 +0000 http://www.randomfate.net/MT/2006/02/03/upon-cartoons-and-the-wholesale-condemnation-of-groups/#comment-4784 You know Jack, it isn't that they're angry about it that's the problem. It's the double standard and the way that everyone is hotfooting aruond the issue. Nobody would ever listen to Catholics like this----and I wonder why that is(and were there people marching around with signs calling for the beheading of the artist who made Piss Christ? Or, did they just want it taken out of a publicly funded art show? seeing as how you like people to deal with facts and all.). You know Jack, it isn’t that they’re angry about it that’s the problem. It’s the double standard and the way that everyone is hotfooting aruond the issue. Nobody would ever listen to Catholics like this—-and I wonder why that is(and were there people marching around with signs calling for the beheading of the artist who made Piss Christ? Or, did they just want it taken out of a publicly funded art show? seeing as how you like people to deal with facts and all.).

]]> By: BillT http://www.randomfate.net/MT/2006/02/03/upon-cartoons-and-the-wholesale-condemnation-of-groups/#comment-4783 BillT Fri, 03 Feb 2006 20:20:07 +0000 http://www.randomfate.net/MT/2006/02/03/upon-cartoons-and-the-wholesale-condemnation-of-groups/#comment-4783 Jack - A Jordanian paper has published three of the offending cartoons and the editor asked his readers some very trenchant questions. Just as not all Jordan's Maronite Christians rampaged through Sabra and Shatila and not all European Christians actively supported the Inquisition, not all Muslims are in a rock-throwing rage over what many of them consider to be a Freedom of the Press issue--see one Muslim blogger's take on it here: http://bigpharaoh.blogspot.com/2006/02/jordanian-paper-publishes-cartoons.html Jack - A Jordanian paper has published three of the offending cartoons and the editor asked his readers some very trenchant questions.

Just as not all Jordan’s Maronite Christians rampaged through Sabra and Shatila and not all European Christians actively supported the Inquisition, not all Muslims are in a rock-throwing rage over what many of them consider to be a Freedom of the Press issue–see one Muslim blogger’s take on it here:

http://bigpharaoh.blogspot.com/2006/02/jordanian-paper-publishes-cartoons.html

]]> By: Daniel Berczik http://www.randomfate.net/MT/2006/02/03/upon-cartoons-and-the-wholesale-condemnation-of-groups/#comment-4781 Daniel Berczik Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:07:51 +0000 http://www.randomfate.net/MT/2006/02/03/upon-cartoons-and-the-wholesale-condemnation-of-groups/#comment-4781 Go ahead and call be by name, Jack. I kind of like my name. I have a long, rambling response at TMV; I won't bore you by copying it here. BE: You have every right not to see pictures of Mohammed. I, or anybody else, have a right to draw them and see them. The difference here is that no one is forcing you to see them, but you wish to impose your strictures on everybody else. Go ahead and call be by name, Jack. I kind of like my name.

I have a long, rambling response at TMV; I won’t bore you by copying it here.

BE: You have every right not to see pictures of Mohammed. I, or anybody else, have a right to draw them and see them. The difference here is that no one is forcing you to see them, but you wish to impose your strictures on everybody else.

]]> By: be http://www.randomfate.net/MT/2006/02/03/upon-cartoons-and-the-wholesale-condemnation-of-groups/#comment-4780 be Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:06:45 +0000 http://www.randomfate.net/MT/2006/02/03/upon-cartoons-and-the-wholesale-condemnation-of-groups/#comment-4780 They shouldn't have published pictures like that. In Islam we're not even allowed to draw pictures of the Prophet peace be upon him. We dont draw pictures of Jesus or Moses, we respect all the prophets. We love our prophet peace be upon him. They shouldn’t have published pictures like that.

In Islam we’re not even allowed to draw pictures of the Prophet peace be upon him.

We dont draw pictures of Jesus or Moses, we respect all the prophets.

We love our prophet peace be upon him.

]]> By: probligo http://www.randomfate.net/MT/2006/02/03/upon-cartoons-and-the-wholesale-condemnation-of-groups/#comment-4779 probligo Fri, 03 Feb 2006 05:58:40 +0000 http://www.randomfate.net/MT/2006/02/03/upon-cartoons-and-the-wholesale-condemnation-of-groups/#comment-4779 Jack, just three little notes - Let us not forget that Sabra and Shatila were referred to by OBL as "Islam's two towers". Let us not forget that the Israeli army was, I believe, in occupation of these two camps <b>as a protective measure</b>. I believe those forces were withdrawn on the order of the the Minister of Defence. Let us not forget who that Minister of Defence was... Jack, just three little notes -

Let us not forget that Sabra and Shatila were referred to by OBL as “Islam’s two towers”.

Let us not forget that the Israeli army was, I believe, in occupation of these two camps as a protective measure. I believe those forces were withdrawn on the order of the the Minister of Defence.

Let us not forget who that Minister of Defence was…

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