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		<title>By: Random Fate &#187; Mythology and science</title>
		<link>http://www.randomfate.net/MT/2005/11/19/first-lesson/#comment-3024</link>
		<dc:creator>Random Fate &#187; Mythology and science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I repeat yet again (redundancy intended, because that seems to be the only thing that reaches those whose beliefs triumph all reason), science and religion do not conflict. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Searchlight Crusade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Searchlight Crusade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;RINO Sightings&lt;/strong&gt;

Welcome to RINO Sightings for November 21, 2005.

I'm going to lead with Jane at Armies of Liberation, who is doing one of the things about the 'sphere that may really mak...</description>
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<p>Welcome to RINO Sightings for November 21, 2005.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to lead with Jane at Armies of Liberation, who is doing one of the things about the &#8217;sphere that may really mak&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John the Baptist</title>
		<link>http://www.randomfate.net/MT/2005/11/19/first-lesson/#comment-2990</link>
		<dc:creator>John the Baptist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Yet, many who claim to follow God try to destroy science, despite the myriad benefits of technology arising from science that they enjoy every day."

Speaking from the "other side," I must state that the opposite is quite true, as well - many who claim faith in science (alone) try to figuratively destroy God, despite the many benefits from Him that they enjoy everyday.

I was raised in an atheistic ("agnostic" was the claim) household, where any religion, but expecially Christianity, was held in mocking contempt, and all faith was placed in the hope of completely secular science. Anything remotely metaphysical (including discussions of quantum physics) was harshly ridiculed, and any question that remained unanswered was excused as awaiting the next great breakthrough in one or more of the scientific disciplines.

Without going into a lengthy defense of religious faith, let me just suggest (as you touched on yourself) that the two arenas are not distinct or seperate in any way from one another - Dad used to point out the exact, predictible nature of mathematics as "proof " God did not exist, for example. I believe quite strongly the opposite, that finding consistancy and predictability in seemingly random systems (as Glick explained in his book "Chaos" some years ago), suggestions very strongly the existance of an "intelligent designer," e.g. God.

The way I see it, there was (and is) indeed an "intelligent designer," God, creator of the heavens and the earth, whose methods and intents may often be tracked and studied through the use of scientific methodology. I am a historian and seminarian, and make use of the same tools you do in reserching my own fields. If God is one of a random and unpredictible nature, then this, and indeed all of "science", would be a futile effort. Because He is very, very consistent, unchangeable, and to a high degree predictible, then both faith and science can exist side by side quite comfortably.

I've often thought (and preached) that the study of faith is the study of "why" and the study of sciences is the study of "how".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yet, many who claim to follow God try to destroy science, despite the myriad benefits of technology arising from science that they enjoy every day.&#8221;</p>
<p>Speaking from the &#8220;other side,&#8221; I must state that the opposite is quite true, as well - many who claim faith in science (alone) try to figuratively destroy God, despite the many benefits from Him that they enjoy everyday.</p>
<p>I was raised in an atheistic (&#8221;agnostic&#8221; was the claim) household, where any religion, but expecially Christianity, was held in mocking contempt, and all faith was placed in the hope of completely secular science. Anything remotely metaphysical (including discussions of quantum physics) was harshly ridiculed, and any question that remained unanswered was excused as awaiting the next great breakthrough in one or more of the scientific disciplines.</p>
<p>Without going into a lengthy defense of religious faith, let me just suggest (as you touched on yourself) that the two arenas are not distinct or seperate in any way from one another - Dad used to point out the exact, predictible nature of mathematics as &#8220;proof &#8221; God did not exist, for example. I believe quite strongly the opposite, that finding consistancy and predictability in seemingly random systems (as Glick explained in his book &#8220;Chaos&#8221; some years ago), suggestions very strongly the existance of an &#8220;intelligent designer,&#8221; e.g. God.</p>
<p>The way I see it, there was (and is) indeed an &#8220;intelligent designer,&#8221; God, creator of the heavens and the earth, whose methods and intents may often be tracked and studied through the use of scientific methodology. I am a historian and seminarian, and make use of the same tools you do in reserching my own fields. If God is one of a random and unpredictible nature, then this, and indeed all of &#8220;science&#8221;, would be a futile effort. Because He is very, very consistent, unchangeable, and to a high degree predictible, then both faith and science can exist side by side quite comfortably.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve often thought (and preached) that the study of faith is the study of &#8220;why&#8221; and the study of sciences is the study of &#8220;how&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Vavoom</title>
		<link>http://www.randomfate.net/MT/2005/11/19/first-lesson/#comment-2989</link>
		<dc:creator>Vavoom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree 100%, Jack.  Great post.</description>
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		<title>By: The Politburo Diktat &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Saturday Links</title>
		<link>http://www.randomfate.net/MT/2005/11/19/first-lesson/#comment-2974</link>
		<dc:creator>The Politburo Diktat &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Saturday Links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2005 22:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Krauthammer - Phony Theory, False Conflict - Sir Charles takes apart ID. Yes, Bill, I&#8217;m doing the wave along with John Cole and Jack Grant. In order to justify the farce that intelligent design is science, Kansas had to corrupt the very definition of science, dropping the phrase &#8221; natural explanations for what we observe in the world around us,&#8221; thus unmistakably implying &#8212; by fiat of definition, no less &#8212; that the supernatural is an integral part of science. This is an insult both to religion and science. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Krauthammer - Phony Theory, False Conflict - Sir Charles takes apart ID. Yes, Bill, I&#8217;m doing the wave along with John Cole and Jack Grant. In order to justify the farce that intelligent design is science, Kansas had to corrupt the very definition of science, dropping the phrase &#8221; natural explanations for what we observe in the world around us,&#8221; thus unmistakably implying &#8212; by fiat of definition, no less &#8212; that the supernatural is an integral part of science. This is an insult both to religion and science. [...]</p>
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